Turn off the lights, Edgewater!

Don't forget, this Saturday (March 28th) is Earth Hour between 8:30pm - 9:30pm.

Andersonville named "Hottest Hood" to buy

Time Out Chicago named Andersonville as the 'Hottest Hood' in Chicago to purchase a home in their real estate edition.

"ANDERSONVILLE Nearly every Realtor offered up Andersonville as the city’s hottest ’hood, citing lakefront proximity, a robust commercial district brimming with independently owned businesses and good public transportation as factors. Also, sales here are often more discretionary than need-based. This means homeowners are less likely to sell at desperation prices. “The demographic of people who buy here hasn’t been as adversely affected by job loss and subprime lending problems, so the supply is down, which keeps prices up,” says Kelly Leggett of Keller Williams Realty. Median condo price $294,250 Median single-family home price $832,000"

Read the entire article here

Thorndale Red Line Robbery, Suspects Flee

(View from Thorndale stop looking northwest. Not sure if that is the building w/skylights that the suspect fell through)

Two or three suspects tried to rob someone early Tuesday morning on either the train or the platform of the Red Line at Thorndale in Edgewater. When police responded, one man fled and apparently fell through a skylight of a nearby building. Despite having canine units on the scene, the suspect did not turn up after a complete search of the building where it is believed the suspect fell. The other two suspects may have escaped by taking the Red Line train.
Source: Chicago Sun Times

Skinstinct named 'Best New Boutique' by Chicago Reader

Skinstinct clothing store has received a Reader's Choice award as 'Chicago's Best New Boutique' voted by readers of the Chicago Reader. Skinstinct has a location at 5135 N Clark in Andersonville, along with locations in Water Tower Place and Lakeview.

Check out all of the Chicago Reader's Best of 2009.

Senn High School Evacuated

According to various news sources, firefighters evacuated Senn High School on Monday due to a chlorine spill. The school, located at 5900 N. Glenwood, was evacuated by staff and the 1,500 students were taken to the nearby Broadway Armory Park District facility while a Hazardous Materials team was called in.

Sources: Chicago Sun Times, CBS 2 Chicago & Chicago Tribune Breaking News

Windy City Gay Idol Kicks Off in Andersonville

From the Windy City Times:

CHICAGO —Windy City Gay Idol kicks off its seventh year featuring the best amateur gay and lesbian singers in the Chicago area. What started as a fun promotion with Windy City Media Group has become a large and highly anticipated annual event in Chicago's Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, and Transgender community. And you don't have to sing to be a part of it. Just come and vote!
The first event will be at Star Gaze bar in Andersonville Sunday, March 29.

Continue reading the entire press release here

RELATED: NBC 5 Chicago: You're My Gay Idol

Foster / Sheridan Traffic Study

Courtesy of the Association of Sheridan Condominium/Co-op Owners email blast:
Study Overview
Sam Schwartz Engineering PLLC (SSE) conducted an analysis of the traffic and parking impacts for the proposed redevelopment of a Dominick's Finer Foods grocery store in the Edgewater neighborhood. The purpose of the traffic portion of the study was to determine the existing traffic issues in the area, then estimate the impact that the trips generated by the redeveloped store would have on adjacent road ways, and to propose any improvements that are necessary to improve the vehicular and pedestrian operations in the area. A parking analysis was conducted to determine if the parking provided by the development will meet the City of Chicago's code and its expected usage.
According to the site plan for the redevelopment project, the existing 38,978 square foot store and 108 space parking lot will be removed and a new store (54,718 square feet) will be built on the southern portion of the site. Additional property will be used (the Chicago Lodge site) in the plan. All parking will be provided on-site with 30 street level convenience spaces and 146 spaces on the roof of the store.Customers will access the site from a full access drive on Foster Avenue and a full access drive on Sheridan Road.
Study Summary
The redevelopment of the existing Dominick's Finer Food store at the northeast corner of Foster Avenue and Sheridan Road will not have an adverse impact on traffic conditions in the area due to the low volume of additional traffic. It will actually improve traffic operations by eliminating an access drive on both roads, providing for an on-site truck dock, and relocating the Foster Avenue driveway further east on Sheridan Road. Pedestrian access to the store from the parking lot and from the street has been improved and more accessible with two street level entrances and two elevators/three stairwells serving the rooftop parking.
Read the entire study here

8:58 PM, 5200 N. Lake Shore Dr. - Assistance call. Vehicle is stalled in the left southbound lane.

8:59, 2527 W. Ainslie - Burglary in progress call. Male caller says someone is in his garage as he can see the lights going on and off. Responding unit asks for Supervisor to join them.

9:01, Granville and Claremont - Kids are loitering and causing a disturbance in the park.

9:02 - A slow down is given for the W. Ainslie burglary in progress call.

9:08, Rosemont and Broadway - Suspicious person. Man in a black Jeep Commander refuses to get out of the vehicle.

9:14, Rosemont and Broadway - Responding unit says there is no black Jeep Commander parked in the area.

9:14, 6720 N. Sheridan - Battery call. Man says he was being beaten by another male at this location.

9:23, Ainslie and Leavitt - Man is in the intersection trying to stop cars.

9:24, Hamilton and Ainslie - Second call about a man in an intersection. This one is coming from about a half block east. Caller states it is a Hispanic male jumping out in front of cars and asking for money.

9:33, Morse Red Line stop - El check.

9:47, West alley of Clark St. at 1700 W. Northshore - Unit is on scene at a disturbance, another has just joined. You can hear agitated people yelling in the background.

9:52, 1200 W. Pratt - Disturbance with a female smoking and drinking in the lobby.

9:59, Clark and Rogers - Curfew mission to Pottawatomie Park.

Send you back to Croatia, in a box!

From the News-Star Crime blotter:

Bitter guest threatens homeowner
A 59-year-old man reported being threatened by a former house guest around 8:30 p.m. March 16. The victim told police that the house guest, a man in his mid 70s, had stayed at his home for a few months in the 2200 block of W. Foster.
The house guest, who reportedly had been drinking, swung a garden hoe at the victim numerous times, but missed. The man then fled in an unknown direction. The victim also reported that the house guest broke through his front door, cutting his hand and threatening to send the victim back to Croatia in a box.
Police toured the area and checked with neighborhood hospitals to see if the house guest sought treatment for a bloody hand, but didn't find him.

Bus stop robbery
A 35-year-old man was robbed while waiting for a bus in the 1100 block of W. Berwyn. The victim told police that two men in their 20s approached him around 8:40 p.m. March 16.
The men shoved and shook the victim, until they were able to snatch the victim's back pack. The men ran away, along with the victim's school books, medication, cellphone and personal papers.

Read more crimes here.

Reward Offered for 'Red Line Robber'

The FBI is offering up to $10K for information leading to the arrest of a serial bank robber who is believed to be responsible for holding up 6 Chicago banks, inlcuding the North Community bank branch at 5342 N Broadway (1/23/09) & the MB Financial at 6443 N Sheridan (3/10/09), both in Edgewater. The suspect, considered armed and dangerous, has been described by witnesses as a black male, 30 to 35, 6 feet to 6-foot-2 and 200 pounds with a medium build and beard. He has worn sunglasses, a dark colored baseball cap and a black bomber jacket during all of his robberies, according to a release from the Chicago FBI.

Source: CBS2Chicago.com & NBC5

Dumpster Tax Delayed

ALDERMAN CONTINUE TO MEET
"The Dumpster tax will go into effect on April 1st, however it will not be implemented"according to Alderman Mary Ann Smith (48) co-chair with Ald. Tom Tunney (44) of the ad hoc dumpster tax task force of aldermen. The group is working directly with a representative of the Intergovernmental department of the City because so many city departments are involved.
Related: Alderman Smith to head up new finance subcommittee

Andersonville a safe haven for some in real estate debacle

From Medill:
by Inyoung HwangMarch 12, 2009
In a recession that has seen massive job cuts and plummeting home values, realtors point to Andersonville as one Chicago neighborhood that has been a safe haven of sorts, where potential homebuyers appear to be more willing to take a chance on buying a home even before the overall market has clearly bottomed.
“It’s a very disparate marketplace here in Chicago right now,” said Tom McCarey, a real estate agent with @properties. “[Andersonville’s] kind of been impervious to the swings and fluctuations” in home prices, he added.
Pamela Ball, an Andersonville resident and real estate agent, said prices in the neighborhood are down 5 percent to 8 percent compared with a year ago.
Andersonville is technically located within Edgewater, which has seen a drop of 8.5 percent in home prices as of February last year, compared with Chicago as whole, which has seen a 10.2 percent drop, according to Zillow.com. Other North Side neighborhoods have been more distressed. Uptown, which borders to the south of Andersonville, has seen a 12.9 percent decrease in home prices, and Rogers Park, which is north of Edgewater, saw a 11.3 percent fall. Read the entire article here

Senior Health Fair

9th Annual Senior Health Fair

Satrurday March 28, 10 a.m.

Broadway Armory , 5917 N. Broadway

State Representative Harry Osterman invites the community to attend his 9th Annual Senior Health Fair on Saturday, March 28th from 10:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. at the Broadway Armory Park, located at 5917 N. Broadway St., in Edgewater. The event is open to the public and free of charge. Guests will receive a complimentary gift bag and enjoy entertainment and refreshments.

CTA / Traffic Meeting

At the request of ASCO representatives who attended the presentation on the Berwyn Multi-Modal center, Ald. Mary Ann Smith has scheduled a conversation with the CTA with respect to the buses at Foster and Sheridan.
The meeting will be March 18, Wednesday 6:00 PM, at the Ward office (5533 N. Broadway) with proposed agenda:
1. What buses and bus lines stop at Foster and Sheridan and idle, and why.
2. What are the issues this presents for the community
3. What solutions are in discussion, what impact would they have
4. Open discussion/ideas

The ASCO leadership had a commitment from previous developers of the Dominick's Sheridan/Foster development to include a bus by-pass in their design if they could obtain the Motel property. The Alderman signed on to this commitment. Now that the Dominick's corporation owns the property and the Motel property, the bypass is not being included. Instead, there is talk of the excess land being used for expansion of the Saddle and Cycle Country Club parking lot on the east. Crain's reports that the excess property on the North will be sold to a developer for a 400 unit residential development.

Purse Snatching on Sheridan

From the ASCO:

"It was definetely a Friday the 13th for an 82 year old Sheridan Road resident. She was returning from shopping at Dominick's on Glenlake at about 4:00 p.m., in broad daylight. She was on the SW corner of Glenlake and Sheridan Road. A short male, age and race unknown, approached her from the rear and grabbed her purse. When she clung to it, she was thrown to the ground, serious injuring her face.
Residents of 6030 N. Sheridan heard her screams and rushed to her aid, calling for an ambulance. She was taken to Weiss hospital where many stitches were used to close her head and face wounds.
Later another good samaritan found her purse on Thorndale, intact except for the cash."

10:30, Sheridan and Juneway - Unit has a red Dodge Stratus stopped near this intersection, it's possibly a stolen car.

10:52, Bryn Mawr Red Line stop - El check.

10:55, Foster and Sheridan - Disturbance with a male passenger on a CTA bus that is standing eastbound.

11:10, 1625 Howard - Male white who recently moved into a building at this address is reportedly naked and knocking on people's doors.

11:21, 1230 Greenleaf - Someone from the park district is calling about an altercation.

12:26, 6312 N. Mozart - Suspicious male trying to get into a home.

1:27, 1636 W. Morse - Auto theft reported.

Bluewater 5440 Parking

Thanks to a reader for providing the following email. It appears the Bluewater 5440 project will be on hold for quite some time, as they are trying to rent out spots on the lot for parking:

We are going to offer parking spaces on the adjacent lot located at 5440 N. Sheridan Road for an indefinite period of time. The spaces will be made available on a first come, first served basis beginning April 1 and will be located conveniently behind the sales trailer. The spaces will be assigned and the parking area will have temporary fencing as well as lighting. The monthly rate is $125.00 and the daily rate is $7.50.

The Bluewater Companies

New Ice Cream Shop to Replace Sweet Occasions

An anonymous reader wrote in:

"...just wanted to mention that there a new ice cream joint going into the old Sweet Occasions Andersonville store, 'Georges...ice cream and sweets'. I had heard a while back through the grapevine...that the daughter of the late George, who owned the building was going to re-open the shop herself. George was a lovely man."

Crimes From the News-Star Crime Blotter

Cops nab alleged radio thief
Police responded to a car break-in in progress in the 1500 block of W. Ardmore around 10:15 p.m. on March 9. Police toured the area and saw a man matching the victim's description a few blocks away walking eastbound on the 1300 block of W. Early.
According to the police report, the man, later identified as Mark Landen, 26, of the 5400 block of N. Kenmore, ditched a large item that he was carrying underneath a parked van.
Police stopped Landen and reported finding a black car radio on the ground that had been reported stolen from a 1998 Jeep. Landen was taken back to the scene where he was positively identified by the victim and a witness as the person they saw allegedly breaking into the Jeep.
Police said Landen told them he needed money because he was homeless. He was charged with burglary to an automobile and has a March 16 court date.
Tavern assault
A 26-year-old man drinking at a tavern in the 5700 block of N. Ravenswood threatened a bartender around 12:30 a.m. on March 8. When the victim told the man that he had had enough to drink, the man implied he had a gun and threatened to shoot the bartender. The man left the tavern and went out to his car, waving an unknown object before driving away in a white Buick.
Burglar shatters door
A burglar shattered the back door of an apartment in the 1400 block of W. Foster sometime between 8 a.m. and 4 p.m. on March 9. The victim told police that a video game system and games valued at $294 were missing.
Pocketbook pinched
A 39-year-old woman said she was walking down the 5800 block of N. Winthrop around 12:25 p.m. March 3 when she was grabbed from behind.
A man in his early 40s snatched her purse containing $25 and fled northbound on Winthrop. Police looked for the man but couldn't find him.
Bullies badger teen
A 17-year-old man was beaten and stoned by three male acquaintances as he walked down the 5800 block of N. Glenwood around 3:10 p.m. on March 3.
According to the police report, one of the teens grabbed the hood of the victim's jacket. The teens told the victim to hand over his money and valuables, and tried unsuccessfully to grab the victim's headphones.
When the victim tried walking away, the teens pushed him back and said, "We ain't going away empty handed."
The teens followed the victim at a distance as he continued eastbound on Ardmore. They began throwing stones and an empty vodka bottle at him, grazing the victim's head. The teens then fled on foot in an unknown direction. The victim and his mother filed a police report at his high school. Police advised him to get an order of protection.
Magnolia mugging
A 43-year-old man heard footsteps behind him as he walked down the 5800 block of N. Magnolia before being thrown against a fence around 8:15 p.m. March 3. Three men in their 20s punched and kicked the victim, before grabbing $160 and the victim's cell phone. The victim refused medical attention.
Nosy neighbor
A neighbor called police after he observed that his neighbor's door was broken around 4 p.m. on March 4. Police contacted the victim and met her at her apartment in the 2000 block of W. Berwyn. The victim reported 40 to 60 DVDs, a digital camera, and $2,000 worth of jewelry missing.
Delinquents pry money from man's hand
A 58-year-old man said he was pushed to the ground and pummeled by two men of unknown age while walking down the 5000 block of N. Winthrop around 8:30 p.m. March 6. The men pried $60 from the victim's hand and took off northbound on Winthrop. Police arrested two 17-year-old juveniles a few minutes later.

Winter Farmer's Market

From Crain's Chicago:
Eat fresh even before spring vegetables arrive thanks to the ANDERSONVILLE WINTER FARMER'S MARKET at Ebenezer Lutheran Church. In addition to root vegetables, mushrooms and other goodies, the market will have baked goods, live music and kids' activities. March 14, 9 a.m. – 1 p.m. 1650 W. Foster Ave., www.andersonville.org.

More Trader Joe's Rumors

An anonymous source tells us that Trader Joe's has placed a bid on the property on the NW corner of Foster & Broadway, the site of the former Piser Funeral Home. If anyone has additional information or can confirm this rumor, we'd like to know!

If you'd like to tell Trader Joe's that you'd welcome a store in Edgewater, you can do so here:
http://www.traderjoes.com/location_requests_form.aspx

From the Edgewater Community Council:

Fire @ 4900 N Clark

From CBS2 Chicago:

Fire Rips Through Uptown Auto Repair Shop

Third Chicago Area Auto Repair Shop Fire In As Many Days

For the third morning in a row, Chicago area firefighters were sent out to a raging blaze at an auto repair shop, this time in the North Side's Uptown neighborhood.

The latest fire broke out at the Africa Auto Repair and Body Shop, at 4906 N. Clark St. just a jog south of the busy Andersonville commercial district.

Firefighters were sent to the scene around 2:30 a.m., and the blaze was elevated to a still-and-box alarm. The flames were tearing through a truss roof and were so intense that firefighters couldn't get inside the building. They instead had to perform a defensive operation.

Continue reading the article here

New Bus Station: Berwyn / Broadway Project

This notice was sent via email from the Association of Sheridan Road Condo/Co Op Owners:

Despite the traffic density on Sheridan Road, Ald. Smith is planning to put a new bus station on Broadway at the SE corner of Berwyn.

They have refused to answer questions about the impact on the various bus routes intersecting with Sheridan Road.

The following message was sent out by the Alderman's office:
Several months ago, the 48th Ward office held a public meeting for residents interested in helping the City of Chicago and CTA plan a multi-modal center at the Berwyn L. The concept included a new indoor CTA station, a bus turnaround, and a variety of other transportation and retail related amenities. The Alderman had asked each block club to appoint a representative to discuss transportation issues in the ward. The city and their consultants are now ready to come back to the community to present drawings incorporating ideas from the first meeting.

Please join this second conversation on March 11, Wednesday at 7:00 PM at 5533 N. Broadway. All are welcome.

This meeting is open to the public!

From the News-Star Crime Blotter

Meet-up turns into robbery

A 23-year-old man who had arranged a date with a woman he met on MySpace was robbed when he went to meet her at 10:45 p.m. Feb. 27.

The victim told police that the two set up a date and were to meet up in an alley in the 1700 block of W. Thorndale. When he arrived, the woman was waiting for him in a Chrysler minivan.

He got into the van and the two were talking, when two men approached the van and jumped into the back. One of the men grabbed the victim's throat, placed a gun to the victim's chin and threatened to shoot him.

The victim was struck on both shins with an unknown object and beaten. The victim's date grabbed his keys, cellphone and wallet, which contained $30. They pushed him out of the van and fled in an unknown direction.

Vomiting, not fighting

A 23-year-old woman was hit over the head with a beer bottle during an argument with another woman at a tavern in the 2500 block of W. Peterson. Police were summoned to the tavern around 11:30 p.m. Feb. 25.

The victim told police that she was arguing with the woman, who was in her early 20s, when there was some "pushing around." The woman hit the victim over the head with a beer bottle and fled.

The victim's husband told police that his wife had been drinking to the point of vomiting and was in no condition to initiate a fight. Other witnesses corroborated the victim's story.

She was taken to Swedish Covenant Hospital where she was awaited treatment for a swollen forehead.

Threatened with hammer

A 24-year-old man who has had on an going dispute with another man, claimed that he was threatened with a hammer in the hallways of his building in the 4900 block of N. Winthrop. Police responded to a 911 call around 8 a.m. Feb. 27.

Following an argument earlier in the day, the victim said that the man, who is believed to be 18, approached him in the hallway and confronted him for an unknown reason. The police report said the victim was not making any sense and that he refused to sign a complaint. The 18-year-old denied the allegations.

Ainslie break-in

Burglars pried at and kicked through the back door of a home in the 2700 block of W. Ainslie sometime before 11 p.m. Feb. 27. Video games, two digital cameras, a laptop, a TV and jewelry were reported missing.

Back door open, nobody home

A 50-year-old man received a phone call at 5:30 p.m. Feb. 27 from a neighbor stating the back door to his home in the 2500 block of W. Foster was open. The neighbor told police that earlier a man in his late teens was knocking on her basement door. He asked if the apartment manager was home.

A short time later, the neighbor checked and noticed that the victim's back door was wide open. Jewelry, a 52-inch flat-screen TV, laptop computer and sound system were heisted.

Farragut haul

Burglars ransacked bedrooms and a closet at a home in the 1400 block of W. Farragut sometime before 8:20 a.m. Feb. 26. A neighbor notified the victim that his front door was open.

The victim called 911 when he arrived home and waited for police. The door was open and the deadbolt had been unlocked, but there were signs of forced entry, according to the police report. The only item reported missing was an iPod.

Source: News-Star

Wednesday Journal Inc. Sells News-Star

According to the Chicago Tribune, Wednesday Journal Inc. has sold the News-Star to Ron Roenigk of Inside Publications. The News-Star is a weekly paper covering Rogers Park, Ravenswood, Edgewater and Uptown. We've always valued the News-Star's coverage of the area, and hope that the new owner continues to deliver the quality product that the former owner did!
Source: Chicago Tribune

Aldi Signs 15-year Lease at Clarovista

According to Crain's Chicago, Aldi has already signed the lease for the "proposed" store at the Clarovista condo building....

Aldi replaces Staples in Edgewater project
By Samantha Sleevi, March 05, 2009

(Crain’s) — Discount grocer Aldi Inc. plans to open a store in a new condominium development in Edgewater after office supply retailer Staples Inc. backed out of the project.
A spokeswoman for Aldi, which is based in west suburban Batavia, says the Edgewater store is to open in May at Broadway Street and Granville Avenue and is one of six new Aldis scheduled to open in the Chicago area this year. Two more are in the city, in the Avondale and Auburn Gresham neighborhoods, and the others are in west suburban Harwood Heights, south suburban Orland Hills and far southwest suburban Plainfield.
The planned openings come at a time when few retailers are expanding due to the recession and a steep pullback in consumer spending. But grocery chains, particularly value-focused stores like Aldi, tend to fare better than other retailers in such markets, says Peter Graham, a vice-president with CB Richard Ellis Inc., who represented the Edgewater landlord.
Read the entire Crain's article here.

No TIF for Dominick's, Admiral on Hold, and more updates...

The Chicago Journal / News-Star recently wrote an article as a follow-up to the neighborhood meeting held on February 26th to discuss the proposed Dominick's project at 5253 N Sheridan. While the prospect of a brand new "Lifestyle" concept store that will have environmentally-friendly LEED certification is great news, there are still some questions that need to be answered. Specifically, residents expressed concerns about car traffic, store management, handicap parking and also requested that a roof/cover be put on the rooftop parking. The Alderman's office is also in talks with the CTA about moving the bus turnaround from Foster to Berwyn. Why they would bring more CTA traffic to Berwyn, a smaller side street, rather than keep it on a wider road such as Foster is a bit puzzling. Representatives from Dominick's also made it very clear that they were not seeking TIF funds, and neighbors were informed that plans for the Admiral by the Lake retirement tower were put on hold until at least 2010.
Read the entire article here.

Photos Of Monday's Fire

The above photos were taken by a reader who says "I live on Kenmore just south of Hollywood and this is what I saw around 5:20pm."

Another reader emailed us to share some additional photos, and told me "I live on W. Hollywood and arrived at the scene just as the CFD was arriving. Here are some pics I took." His exciting photos can be seen here at Picasa. A big thank you goes out to both readers for their submissions!

Incredible Value or Property Value Killer?

Tomorrow is the ECC/EDC Planning & Development meeting at the Broadway Armory to discuss the "new concept" Aldi store which is being proposed for the Clarovista condo building. Check out our previous post here for details on the meeting. We just learned that Aldi is seeking a license to sell package liquor at this location.

Representative's from Aldi as well as the building owner will be present. We've also received emails from multiple block clubs who will be present, as many oppose Aldi due to their reputation of being in poorer neighborhoods, what type of customers Aldi may attract, the potential to decrease property values, as well as opposing the selling liquor on Granville (which is currently not allowed). We appreciate all the valid concerns raised, and think they must be vetted, but I also think its a good idea to hear Aldi out about this "new concept."

Update on Hollywood Fire

Thirteen people were injured in yesterday's fire at 1040 W Hollywood. Many people became trapped on their floors and had to be rescues by firefighters. Most were taken to the hospital with inhalation injuries, although one known woman is known to have suffered serious injuries after jumping from an upper floor of the building. A number of children were in the building at the time of the fire, due to the Polaski day holiday. The cause of the fire is unknown.

Read additional coverage below:
ChicagoBreakingNews.com
MSNBC
Chicago Sun Times
CBS 2 Chicago
ABC 7 Chicago (video)

Fire on Hollywood

I just received a call from a source who reports there is a 2 alarm fire burning in a 5 story residential building at 1040 W. Hollywood Ave. People are apparently trapped on the third floor at the time of this post, and emergency personnel are responding. I will post any updates if they become available....

Rendering of new Dominick's

Not sure how they obtained it, but here is a rendering of the new Dominick's at Foster/Sheridan from SpyGuy on Skyscraper page: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=105764&page=312.